Chuck and Kathy Collins’ Session with George Anderson - August 9, 2001

The following is a transcript of our first session with George Anderson:

GA = George Anderson

CC = Chuck Collins

KC = Kathy Collins

At this point in the transcript, George Anderson had conducted sessions with five of the nine couples represented at this bereaved parents session. As he completes a reading for the parents of another daughter who was lost…. he ends the session with that couple and turns to Chuck and Kathy Collins.

G.A.: ….Okay, but she stepped back and another soul comes forward so let’s see where we go to next……Again I can see people coming more than one at a time…..Another male presence comes in but in your direction (motioning to Chuck and Kathy)……but there is a female presence with him…….because it’s……(sighs)……They are talking about a young female….understood?

C: Yes

G.A.: And another female presence comes into the room also. ……Yeah……….I take it they must mean you but they talk about a daughter. Yes?

C: Yes

G.A.: Oh….okay…so I want to make sure there is like there’s three people standing in front of me talking among themselves and somebody keeps saying something about a daughter. I’m like are you trying to tell me they have lost a daughter?……..So it is correct you have lost a daughter?

C: Yes

G.A.: Okay …that’s… So whoever’s talking about it I am overhearing the right conversation. Yeah because she says her grandfather is with her. So this is the male who came in first and she followed and the two of them are together. He’s the one talking to me about saying something about your daughter…that your daughter is there with him. Because the male keeps coming to you and saying he’s dad, yes? (motioning toward Chuck)

C: …..Yes

G.A.: So…well, he comes to you and he says he’s dad so either he’s your dad or he’s your father-in-law…one or the other…but he’s coming to you as dad…doesn’t explain how, but you know who it is….but, regardless your daughter is with him as he points it out……..’cause your daughter reaches out to both of you with love…..also speaks of passing tragically………one moment to the next………Understood?

C: Yes

G.A.: Because she states she’s gone from one moment to the next. She also expresses apology for her passing, understood?

C: Yes

G.A.: Only in the sense I think of what you are going through because she realizes that you had the heavier burden to carry because of that…..because of the loss…..not that she has to but because of that………..She also speaks of her passing being accidental, yes?

C: Yes

G.A.: Now this could be symbolic so bear with me…she shows me a vehicle type accident…if it’s not a vehicle-type accident then it is significant of accident…she didn’t…..she already has said accident and just showed it so in this case I think it is more significant that her passing is accidental……..Funny though, she states her system reacts in the tragedy?…

C: Yes

G.A.: because….something in here feels funny…(pointing toward his chest area)….this is not the case but I feel like….something’s poisoning me……

C: Yes

G.A.: Because that’s what…all of the sudden it’s like something got in my stomach and I wanted to heave it up….So she says she passes on accidentally because…..once again that same symbol that’s usually for a conflicts with b. I feel like I am being poisoned. And that’s how she describes it…..But, the reason I wanted to make sure you understood, it’s not like someone has poisoned her…..you know…deliberately….but she is passing on from what I would think of being poisoned, as she puts it. Well frankly, she says she is. Something is….gotten down there and is getting into the system that’s causing that …a poisonous reaction.

C: Yes

G.A.: ‘Cause it caused her to pass very quickly, yes?

C: Yes

G.A.: Yeah, because as she states…it’s like somebody taking poison and then ……..aaaah….now it makes sense….I couldn’t understand why earlier she kept seeing these…… showing me scenes out of the play “Arsenic and Old Lace”…..again …you know the play, you know, about the women poisoning people or something like that but again a sign that she’s been poisoned…..But again the system reacts almost like allergically…..

C: Yes

G.A.: Because ….something’s gotten in there that’s caused a massive reaction….That eventually causes her to feel like she’s being poisoned…But also I feel like my system’s jolting because it’s like an allergic reaction too….Because she tells me it puts a terrible strain on the heart… ‘cause the heart shuts down from pressure….yeah whatever this is she says once it gets into the bloodstream, it poisons the system.…and the liver ..whoosh..….(hand motions to signify an explosion)…Vavoom…..shuts…because she tells me her liver capitulates…..She tells me to feel comfortable with the fact that she is using the word that she is poisoned….Again…not dramatically….but….for lack of a better word, she tells me to use that….that my brain is going to comprehend….from it….Yeah, but some…two substances must have conflicted….something…..You know for example, like years ago, when Karen Anne Quinlan took Valium with wine it caused her to go into a coma….Something has conflicted with something else…which poisons the system because again she brings up once it gets into the liver the liver just shuts mechanically…..detox.….Yeah, her system goes on overload, she says……But this happens accidentally….It gets in there innocently….Unknowingly that it’s going to have this type of a reaction…..Because as she calls out to both of you, she also calls out to family as well. And keeps stating that ……yeah, she says it was too late, nothing could be done…. ‘Cause she says she eventually goes into a sleep state…..So either she is in a coma or in a sleep-like state….the brain’s also been damaged…There’s nothing that can be done…She says I can’t be brought back. ‘Cause she knows that…..she recognizes that you feel at times uh …..you feel you should have been able to do something….But it’s discovered all too late. And the lateness is not your fault. ‘Cause she also speaks of being very nauseous…when it’s…..but again it’s like somebody who seems to have a bad flu…..I don’t realize my system’s been poisoned….again I’m missing the….because again that feeling I want to heave…she might have vomited and so forth and it’s helping….but…you know doesn’t realize that…that it’s….the system’s trying to throw off the poison but it’s also starting to do damage to other parts of the body unknowing to her…so she is getting very weak from it….again it’s all symptoms of the flu like…

C: Yes

G.A.: And it isn’t until later on that it’s discovered…then, it’s too late….Yeah, once in the blood and once in the liver…especially the liver…it just shuts it right down….And everything else then starts to affect because of it….But as she says, needless to say, she is all right and fine now….it’s just that you wish you had gotten to her in time ….but if that was supposed to be…you would have gotten to her in time….especially when you don’t know what’s going on….if someone, as she’s described it….if there were flu-like symptoms….she thought she had the flu……You thought she had the flu…..You don’t think her system is being poisoned….She says it could have happened to anybody here in the room and they would have thought the same thing….the symptoms were flu-like…So as she clearly states,….hold nothing against yourself…. ‘Cause you especially, as her dad, you suffer in silence thinking…you should have been more alert to this. I should have saved her life….You haven’t failed as a father…As she puts it….she would choose you as her dad all over again…As she says and she’s right…she didn’t know, how could you know? …. She says always tell yourself remember when you read into it thinking that you failed, she says remember the symptoms were flu-like…..So definitely let yourself off the hook….Not to feel that you have failed in any way….Again she just knows that it frustrates you that you think ….this would have been something so simple to correct….You know again if it is an incurable illness, that’s one thing, but if it is something simple that could have been taken care of….It might be hard to believe she says but it was her time to pass on….Otherwise she wouldn’t have been passed. Again you judge the circumstances as being…..just cut her life off….And she is not where she’s supposed to be…But she’s like no one gets there unless they’re supposed to be there….the circumstances are merely the circumstances or the passport. She says because she feels that she had a very significant and accomplished life. ….And she says take a look at my life and argue with me about it….Because even at her wake and funeral there is a tremendous support shown…People have come to pay tribute to somebody who has definitely completed their life. So the evidence is there that she has completed and fulfilled…And again she admits to me, she is not the doctor type. She is not going to go running to the doctor because she has the flu…The doctor’s going to tell her you have the flu go home and rest, drink plenty of …you know the usual diagnosis…So she’s….she didn’t think anything of it….It’s almost….she says it’s almost like you feel you were stupid that you didn’t notice there was something greater going on….But she says you are not stupid, you didn’t know any more than she did….She says how much more plain can I make it? You didn’t know….so please, she says, put yourself at rest, and let yourself off the hook…It’s almost like you feel indirectly responsible for your daughter’s death carelessly…She keeps saying no, you haven’t failed, you are not carelessly responsible for my passing…Once again, let it go……..She also says she comes to you in dreams….But make sure that you know the difference if they’re comforting visitations you’re hearing from her….If they’re dreams of anxiety it’s your own mind playing tricks on you…So let’s make sure that you separate the two, whether it’s the ones in the past or in the future…Again because you are so sensitive to the issue here of how she passed on, she doesn’t want you to think like if you have, you have a dream of anger or anxiety it’s her like teed off at you from the hereafter, which is not the case, she says only the comforting visitations are from her…But as you….your dad reaches out as she states that she is there with him, she also brings up her grandmother with her as well. And so she says that she is here in the room with grandparents and that she is all right and back to her old self. She also tells me that she works in a teaching capacity…I don’t know how but…apparently somehow…she states it, so it must mean something. Also speaks of family too, yes?

C: Yes.

G.A.: So I take it you have other family which evidently she says is calling out to her… ‘cause like tell them you’ve heard from her…She wants them to know she is all right and back to her old self…This is an off-the-beaten-track type….of accident….Now I can understand why she showed the car accident to represent accidental strictly, but not the actual event…………………And so she says it puts her to sleep like sleeping beauty….But she says I am not asleep for a hundred years….very much alive and awake…she’s gone over in a sleep like state, but as she puts it, someday you’ll come there to meet her again, you will find out she as far as this sleep for a hundred years…She tells me she’s going to pull back…wow she didn’t waste any time getting to the point…but holy Christmas she came in like a bolt of lightning and whoosh explained it. ‘Cause she even said to me you are going to have trouble understanding this to me because she said you’re going to think it’s not what you think it is….and that’s why she said trust me to use the words I use and just…they’ll understand even if it’s, you know, don’t…… ‘cause again when the brain heard the word poison…you start to think, well what do you mean you were poisoned? You start to analyze it. She said just go on, they’ll know….But, she hopes that her coming to you has certainly put you to rest that neither of you are responsible in any way for failing her in saving her…It seems extremely important that you know that. Especially, to you her dad, it’s like you feel you should have known….Again she keeps saying, you know you’ll argue so much you should’ve known…..I mean I am her father, I should have known something was wrong. I should have been able to save her life. This was so stupid the way she passed on. You know, how stupid could I be? And she has seen you in turmoil with yourself in trying to come to grips with this and that is why she tells you. Just put it at rest. As your daughter just said if she had an axe to grind with you she’d let you know. So she says there is nothing here. Don’t create something that doesn’t exist. But she embraces both of you with love and to family also, is hoping to let go as somebody else comes through…..so let’s see who we will go to next….

George Anderson moved on conducting readings for the remaining three couples….